This is the set from the Legos(R) catalog that Dave Hawkins presented as evidence that humans and dinosaurs cohabitated. I shit you not.

Even though this must be a fake. It isn’t. This is what the lunatic fringe is all about baby. So unbelievably deluded that it’s a wonder they don’t poke their eyes out with a fork. OK, here’s a few of the quotes:

I was at the Chicago Lego store today and noticed that they depict dinosaurs with humans on one of their sets …

Way to go, Lego! (Just disregard those silly scientists at the Field Museum and all will be well)

Yep. He was serious. But just when you think creationists are harmless, this exchange happens:

Originally Posted by Dave Hawkins

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Originally Posted by SteveF <!– commenting out default. eaf 3/13/08 –> Quote: Originally Posted by Dave Hawkins <!– commenting out default. eaf 3/13/08 –> No, Steve. Not kidding. Dinos/Humans. Did they co-exist? What are we teaching our young children? You need to drink a cup of strong coffee if you think this is not appropriate for the E&O forum.<!– –> You crack me up Dave. <!– –>

Good. Keep laughing and I’m going to quietly re-educate your kids.

Eeeeeew. Kids, that’s an example of a wingnut. Here’s the link to that exchange: LINK

W H A T radio show or “news” site is this guy getting his stuff from? It’s a reply — part of a thread. He’s replying to someone saying calling people “DemonCrats” is sort of like calling people “poopy-heads”.

my oh my, how special you are. I use DemonicRats as well.

Oooh.. that’s almost as good as “poopy-heads”..

Straight out of the bowels of hell. That’s how I categorize most of you little fucking socialists. obamarama should be *proud* of his name whosinsane, I mean Hussein. It is a good

Hee hee! How clever! “whosinsane”.. do we think this guy made it up his own self?

muslin name. Geez, look at his family, nearly *everyone* is muslim. /Look at his cousin, odinga, the new co-leader of Kenya… he likes to /round up Christian women and children and herd them into churches, lock the doors and set the building on fire….. has a lot in common with klinton there.

Whup whup whup whup whup

My question, and maybe you can answer it /for me… Since obamarama has Kenyan citizenship, via his father, has he /ever voted there?

Wow. This guy takes more hard right angle turns..

Obie

link here

Wal-Mart Supporters Form New Group to Counter Critics
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
December 21, 2005

(CNSNews.com) – A group of community and religious leaders Tuesday announced the formation of Working Families for Wal-Mart, “an organization dedicated to talking about Wal-Mart’s positive contributions” and responding to union-sponsored critics of the nation’s largest retail chain.

One of Wal-Mart’s most persistent critics immediately dismissed the new group’s influence because its initial financial backing comes from Wal-Mart itself.

Then there’s this, also from ’05->
link here

Byline: Kara Spak Daily Herald Staff Writer Michael Benditz, the manager of Batavia’s new Wal-Mart, was interviewing potential employees in a Geneva hotel when his wife went into labor with the couple’s third child in their hometown of Princeton, Ill. He rushed home, but missed the birth.

His tale of workplace devotion was celebrated in October at the ribbon cutting for the Fox Valley’s latest Wal-Mart, a festive event attended by the mayor, high school cheerleaders, a pep band, a local minister and members of Batavia’s chamber of commerce in a store festooned with red, white …

Eeew. It’s just so icky.

Anyway, here’s one from ’06
link here

Galloway, the producer-director of the film Why Wal-Mart Works & Why That Makes Some People C-r-a-z-y, said that although “Wal-Mart is sometimes bashed for low wages . they pretty much pay what retail pays.

“People have choices,” he added. “[Wal-Mart employees] don’t make a lot of money, but a lot of the people who make $15 an hour at Wal-Mart are quite happy doing that

Uh huh. Well..

Can anyone think of a good case for Wal-mart? Any thoughts or opinions? Somehow, supporting wal-mart looks pretty far out on the wingnut spectrum to me.

Blood moon eclipses:

2nd Coming in 2015?
Minister uses NASA forecasting
to study signals of Jesus’ return

from worldnetdaily.com

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Oxford Rocks with ID (Pro and Con) This July

Paul Nelson

from uncommondescent.com

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Secular Holy Days: A Contradiction?

This seems a bit of a contradiction: secularist holidays.

We get our word “holiday” from the old English hālig and dæg, or “holy day.”

But according to the Washington Times, atheists want their own “holy days.”

Matt Cherry, executive director of the Institute for Humanist Studies, said his group is trying to expand options and alternatives for secular holidays.

from dakotavoice.com

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What some people see as perfectly reasonable things to write, others see as screaming wingnuttery.

By ‘normal’ in the headline, of course I mean ‘typical’. Typical as in wingnuts are generally true to form.

NASA hasn’t forecast too many of Jesus’ doings before. Apparently they just didn’t know what they could do with all that data that the Bush white house is making them generate.

Oxford rocks with anything is plainly a sensationalist headline.

And finally, forgive the author, secular holy days are actually quite common. Most people have already noticed the contradiction in terms and decided it was ok. Christmas, Easter, the Fourth of July, Halloween and etc. Those secular holidays have never seemed too much trouble but I guess things change.

Today’s wingnut, Bob Ellis, posting an article called Dawkins the Firebreathing Baptist at www.dakotavoice.com, cheering for the fringe by supporting the movie, says:

Perhaps one of the things that upsets some of the high apostles of the religion of evolution (when I say “evolution” I’m referring to the common understanding of it, which includes both materialism and naturalism) is that they let their guard down during interviews for the film, and for the first time many people are seeing some of their attitudes in relative transparency.

For many years I (and others) have called evolution, materialism and naturalism a religion. After all, not only does it require at least as much faith to believe in, once you understand how impossible is the whole scenario, but many of it’s adherents cling to it with a fervor that would make some Baptists look like slackers.

One of the comments, posted by someone named Richard, as follows:

Bob, I’m not sure you really understand what evolution is. It is NOT an explanation of creation. It does NOT say “there is no Creator”: scientists are still trying to work out how life started, so we’ll get back to you on that one.

It IS the way that life develops and changes from one species to the next. It explains why preferential genes in one generation are passed onto the next, eventually leading to the development of distinct species in different environments. Do you understand why this is an important difference?

I have one other question for you actually. You say that everything was created in 6 days, in accordance to the Bible, and yet earlier you mentioned that no-one was around when the dinosaurs died out, so how can anyone really know what happened back then?

That doesn’t make sense to me. Are you a Creationist or not? Are you saying dinosaurs died out before man evolved? Or are you saying God created everything in six days? Or are you saying dinosaurs never existed, they’re just lies planted by God to fool us for… some reason that eludes me? Consistency, please. Unless that’s too much to ask.

Bob responded. This response is such a perfect example of wingnut thinking I decided to immortalize it here:

Bob said:

Richard, I understand exactly what evolution is, and I understand that there are variations of it which include “theistic evolution” which tries to marry traditional atheistic evolution to a belief in God. However, that is not the dominant meaning when evolution is discussed. The dominant one takes place in a universe where there is no God, and in examining origins, the question must go all the way back to how life originated in the first place, and in answering THAT question you have to ultimately go back to how the universe came to be in the first place. You cannot really compartmentalize the questions.

Why would you say that? It is you who hold this view and it is not only not ‘dominant’ in the scientific community, it is not ‘there’. You erected this strawman and are busy lighting him on fire while the rest of us look on in amazement.

No. Evolution is, to quote some famous scientist or another, only “On the origin of species.”

It states only that speciation is a result of mutation and natural selection. Nothing else.

Nope. Not that. Nope not that either. Nope nope nope. None of those. Only speciation. And nothing about god. Nothing.

If you don’t like naturalism, rail away sir. If you don’t like science, well, sorry. Don’t read.

Bob continues:

We know God created the universe in six days because that’s what God told Moses; it’s written in the book of Genesis. No human was there, until Adam and Eve on Day Six, and there is no surviving written record of creation earlier than the account written by Moses. But God was there, and I don’t think He has any reason to lie or mislead about it. And since not a single thing in the Bible has been proved false, I think it’s safe to believe what it says about creation.

What about the prophecy of Tyre? What about genesis and the flood?
Er, what about the exodus?

Anyway, that’s an assertion that, given interest from Bob, I would challenge on the basis of it’s basic wingntuttery.

But that aside, Bob goes on to say,

The dinosaurs were around at the same time as man, created only one day before humans. They likely died out after the global flood. There are indications from the Bible and from geological observations that the climate of the earth is very different now than it was in the early years after creation. They likely were unable to survive in the cooler, drier climate post-flood.

Er, there is no geological observation for the early years after creation. If you were to accept that there were, you would have to accept that there is validity to geological observations which universally indicate a planet that is over four and a half billion years old.

And, um, how the hell can anyone hold the belief that Dinos and people lived together? Ahhh. Right. Be a wingnut. Bob explains as he concludes his reply to Richard:

I know you’re too closed-minded to even consider this, but you asked, so here’s your answer.

Thanks for proving the obtuseness of the evolutionary mindset which Expelled points to. Yours and most of the comments here just continue to illustrate the accuracy of Stein’s film.

Wonderful answer Bob. I know that I am likely blinded by evolutionary dogma but I think you are a victim of something called Morton’s Demon.

What a crazy cool example you offer.

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Regardless, I hope to at least move the term into mainstream modern parlance. As the examples of the previous posts demonstrate, there are members of the lunatic fringe who manage to put together coherent sentences and organized thoughts (aside from being often bizarrely wrong). These people, at present, we have one William Dembski, a petulant PhD. with a penchant for screaming tard, a certain Ray Comfort who holds up a banana and points out how wonderful the perfectly the hand is built for self-pleasuring. This in an argument for the existence of God. And we have seen the movie “expelled: No intelligence Allowed” which really needs no further explanation as to its own ridiculousness.

The interesting thing about this particular wingnuttery, is that a small but vocal group of human beings identify with the material and take up the cause. Those people feed on the effluent produced at the nodes of lunatic fringe. The ideas, rantings, ravings, unbelievable numbnuttery and sheer bokersness of the originators of wingnuttery, are usually directly contrary to observed reality. The Dembskis, Comforts and propaganda “documentary” makers of the world stand up, back straight to the gale, staring the blot of reality straight in the face and proclaim, “Reality! Begone ye pesky spot! Out! Out damn spot, out I say! I do not believe in you!”

Which makes it all the more fascinating that they find people willing to take up their banner.

But do not make the mistake that wingnuttery is confined to the Christian Conservative movement in the United States. On the contrary, it is found at the edges of any idea. Environmentalism, economics, left-wing, right-wing, the wing stands for wingnut. And to all who believe so strongly in theiir convictions that they feel justified in discarding reality, being economical with the truth, flying into rages at those who would dare oppose your most perfect truth, to those people I say this:

You are absolutely fascinating. How can you manage to do it so consistently?

And, I will be quoting you so you might want to consider your statements.

Yeah. That’ll happen.

-BWE

GOOD LARD BILL DEMBSKI IS A HUGE FUCKING DOUCHEBAG. click it if you don’t believe me. lemme do some editing here, I have a jar of white likker why not.

Opening

Project much there Billy-billy? YOU destroyed your career Bill. Right when you stopped asking honest questions and you flipped the script. you know what I am talking about.

I agree that this is largely true. Well, mooney and nisbet are stupid fucks, I won’t even grant them appeaser status. Suck the Expelled. But the rest of the positive reviews are pretty much YECs and ‘culture warriors’. And we have multiple lines of independent evidence suggesting that this group is much more stupid and dishonest than your average Amurrikan. So Bill, you just left out that the positives are exactly who we would expect them to be, the 2 people that post at your blog for real and people who think Rush and Bill are objective. Got it.

Really? Who hates it? The elite. Also, the elite believes in this extra stuff, because they are the elite. Since you have called yourself both a philosopher and a Christian, our Explanatory Filter will not allow us to declare you an inveterate liar, nor an apostate impostoring heathern. nope, the output in this usage of bits and the bayesian sort of thing is that YOU ARE TOO STUPID AND DISHONEST TO EITHER NOTICE OR CARE THAT YOU ARE JUST MAKING SHIT UP. That’s all.

Hmmm. Sneaky. I like it Bill, it shows agency, young Prince. Let’s see.

Who’s right is the wrong question? If I hadn’t been doing this for a while, I would have already imploded here. WTF

The pussy-mystic induction is not applied to the scientific theory of ID, I see. When we will learn what ID theorists [snicker] have learned by putting this ahem theory under severe scrutiny?

ah hell anyone who has studied the history of science has already written this bull shit off as the ahistorical garbage that it really is. Christ Billy are you listening to the same game as everyone else? you are cheering during time out.

jesus. you know when you have diarrhea and it just keeps going?

Bloody stool. let’s see.

That’s damn near as parsimonious (you do the math, i suggest a bayesian sort of thing). Maybe he just forgot the right words there. I’ll give him a pass.

Hold on. Deeply held secular ideals? Are you kidding me? This is what passes for substantive discussion with this stupidly confused lying douchebag.

Lard this one is a good hit. Hold it in!!!!01010!!

Expelled offers this message brought to you by the DI, who would know all about it: Teach stupidity and shitty critical thinking in science class to show deference to a narrow sectarian religious view, and sue your school board when confronted. Contact the DI, and wait for advice. Do not drop the case, it is very likely that you should drive all the way into the wall so that we can show that the system is rigged against Believers in Yeshua and they are Expelling in teh courts.

awesome, doctor doctor herr doktor. you can’t make that kinda shit up. wait. no, you can. i can’t though, I have ethics. Hey, whatever floats your little old piddly boat dude.

those athiests are so stupid. wow. they reject teh bible. by definition there can be no materialistic theory of life’s origin since they reject teh bible. oh yeah and all materialists are atheists. hmm.

well there herr doctor we would expect to see the empirical improvements in the prediction of the relationships and properties of entities and processes that is gained by accepting whatever version of Intelligent Design you are preaching today. Since your ontological claims are bunk, it’s hard to take your instrumental claims. is hardy-weinberg equilibrium a function of design? is deviation from it PROOF OF ORO-GINAL SIN?

Sadly, evo-mats, selective hyperskepticism, merits. Sadly, mostly.

Ahh fuck it. I give up. almost there too.

hmm. in stealing intellectual property, misrepresenting science, whoring out propositional logic to the most godly bidder and squatting anywhere that Jo Shmo points out that this is possibly the stupidest idea ever, Stein represents the essence of Intelligent Design Creationism.

**cross-posted from ATBC

Of course, most men share their delight but think it too mundane to actually make a video, using the metaphor of a banana no less, celebrating and eulogizing this fortunate happenstance. I suppose self-pleasure rightly provides evidence for some notion of God but this work of art rubs me raw.

(I do appreciate the subtle hint to his wife about the curve though.)

What could be dumber than this video? Why, a video actually taking the time to debunk the metaphor of course.

Whooooooooosh. How could someone fail so epically to understand the metaphor?

The same thing we do everyday Pinky.

Try to take over the world.

But at least someone’s got a sense of humor about it.

Watch S-expelled